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Old 08-05-2009, 02:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was hearing a clicking sound coming from the primary case-sort of like an electrical snap. Took off the cover and this is what I found. Reddish color mess. What the heck happened? The primary chain was very loose (almost 2" of movement). I had adjusted it about 2 weeks ago. Is the red stuff clutch material?
Don't know if this is part of the problem or a separate issue, but I also realized that the chain luber hose from the pump was leaking badly. Is the chain oiler hose supposed to just end above the drive chain and drip on it? I thought it was supposed to drip into the primary case. The primary case was dry. Help.
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Can someone please tell me how oil get into the primary case?
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Old 08-05-2009, 04:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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You seem to be suffering from an extreme lack of oil. There was an oil hose coming from your oil pump. It is from the small fitting on the pump. There is an adjustment for flow. It just drips onto the chain, goes to the bottom and is returned via engine vacume to your oil bucket. The hot set up is to use sealed bearings, seal up the case, (lose the vacume system) and run about half a beer can of 10w40 in your primary. Because you have a dry clutch it is a problem to run too much oil.
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Wasn't paying "alot" of attention and ya didn't have a yr or model posted so what Smokin said.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You seem to be suffering from an extreme lack of oil. There was an oil hose coming from your oil pump. It is from the small fitting on the pump. There is an adjustment for flow. It just drips onto the chain, goes to the bottom and is returned via engine vacume to your oil bucket. The hot set up is to use sealed bearings, seal up the case, (lose the vacume system) and run about half a beer can of 10w40 in your primary. Because you have a dry clutch it is a problem to run too much oil.
I found that my drive chain oiler hose was not working. So the drive chain is oiled and it somehow gets into the primary case? The oiler hose drips onto the chain outside the case.
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Found the chain oiler hose. It had a hole in it. But what is this? It was capped off.
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I'm confused. How does oil from the chain oiler get into the primary case? The drive chain sprocket is outside of the case.
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I'm confused. How does oil from the chain oiler get into the primary case? The drive chain sprocket is outside of the case.
OK......there's 2 chain oilers on your Shovelhead, that come off the oil pump on the right side of the engine block.

One fed oil to the primary chain, (that rusty looking thing you posted pics of) dripping it onto it, and returning it to the engine, via a drain hose in the bottom of the primary housing.

The second is a total loss oiler for the drive (secondary) chain that runs to the rear wheel..... It dripped oil on the chain, keeping it lubricated. The excess oil would fling forward and drip on the groound when the bike stopped, hence HD getting the reputation for oil leaks, and "Marking their territory. Guys who lived and rode on dort roads ran them wide open to keep the chain from going bad and they left oil spots everywhere.

So....on your oil pump, there's one hose that goes to the drive chain, that is adjusted to drip oil on the chain and self-lubricate.

There's also a line that runs to the primary, that feeds that little nipple, to the rear of the stator, and drips oil onto the primary chain and that has an adjusting screw too.

For both of them, turning them in, slows oil flow. Screwing them out increases oil flow.

The other two hoses to your primary housing are a vent line shared with the oil talk (t-fitting in the hose. One line goes to the primary vent and the other to the engine block vent and both to the oil tank.) and a drain hose on the bottom, that returns to the oil pump and eventually, the oil tank.

....what it looks like is that someone shut off the primary oil feed (screw) , not knowing it, and possibly thought they were shutting the secondary chain oiler off that lubes the chain that goes to the rear wheel.......

You can do one of two things:

1.) turn the oiler back on and repair that hose that has a hole in it. You have a wet clutch....it's just dry now. You should be fine after you adjust the chain to the right tension. There should be 5/8"-7/8" play in the chain, at the top, after being adjusted correctly.....

The hard part is...you need to get the primary case sealed almost air-tight to make the system work correctly, as vacuum (sucking) from the oil pump is what returns the oil to the pump. Airleaks will cause issues....


2.) Seal up the oiling nipple, plug the return line fitting, drill a vent hole and place a fitting in the top rear of the primary housing and fill the primary with 3/4 qt of 20w50 and run it as a sealed, separated primary unit.

If I were you, I'd find a way to run it stock. It's a decent working system.
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