HD dealer says "No!" to power commander V - Harley Davidson Forums: Harley Davidson Motorcycle Forum
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 06:59 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 177
HD dealer says "No!" to power commander V

I own an 2011 Fatboy and I am going to upgrade the exhaust pipes and air system. I spoke with the local HD dealer today and the service manager told me that I should not use a Power commander when upgrading. He told me there have been several customers with newer bikes that are extremely unhappy with the power Commander and that I should use the Screaming Eagle race tuner instead. Now I'm certainly not an idiot and I understand they want me to buy their product and have them install it but I'm curious as to whether or not anyone with a newer bike has had issues when using a PC vs a SE. They claim the SE version can be tuned more precisely than the PC. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Redrooster66 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 07:49 PM
Senior Member
 
duecedog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: CENTRAL NJ
Posts: 1,199
Images: 9
I don't know what he means by 'newer', but my 06 Deuce has had a PCIII on it since shortly after I bought the bike. I've not had an ounce of trouble with it. It made a very noticeable difference in performance and I've consistently obtained 43-46 mpg, depending on whether I'm riding two up or solo.

I can (and have) plug my laptop into it and tweak any of the settings. While it may not have the versatility of the new PC, my bike is stock and the PCIII has worked just fine for me.
duecedog is offline  
post #3 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 08:03 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 177
Quote:
Originally Posted by duecedog View Post
I don't know what he means by 'newer', but my 06 Deuce has had a PCIII on it since shortly after I bought the bike. I've not had an ounce of trouble with it. It made a very noticeable difference in performance and I've consistently obtained 43-46 mpg, depending on whether I'm riding two up or solo.

I can (and have) plug my laptop into it and tweak any of the settings. While it may not have the versatility of the new PC, my bike is stock and the PCIII has worked just fine for me.
That's what I figured but I just wanted to get some additional feedback. I think that when he said, "Newer bikes" he meant 2010-2012 (since I have a 2011) but I'm not exactly sure either.
Redrooster66 is offline  
post #4 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 08:08 PM
Member
 
TX_Bagger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 58
Images: 5
Garage
I don't know the details about the Power Commander, but my tuner told me that with the SE Pro Race Tuner that he gets more data points to work with and that he can adjust the front and rear cylinders separately.

That does NOT mean you cannot with the PC, I'm just telling you what I was told about the SEPRT. As previously stated, I don't know what he PC can do. My '11 Limited is tuned with the SEPRT.

Iron Butt Association Member #46654
'11 FLHTK - Ultra Limited (Black Betty)
SE Stage 1 A/C, SE-255 cams, SE Pro Race Tuner HP: 85 TQ: 102
'90 FLHTCU - Ultra Classic (Phoenix)
Paughco Rigid Bobber Project (Diamond)
TX_Bagger is offline  
post #5 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 09:20 PM
Ms. Subtle
 
3OliveMartini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 1,930
i have the race tuner ..i love it.. and they are right you can get a more precise tune with it vs the power commander...


i guess it just depends on how precise you need to be..and how much money you want to spend..

People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.










:
3OliveMartini is offline  
post #6 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 09:27 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,627
My local dealer told me almost the exact same thing. Said they had too many "problems" with the PC and now only use the SE Tuner. Of course, this is coming from a HD dealer so thats almost to be expected.
Natty is offline  
post #7 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 09:37 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: GRAND PRAIRIE
Posts: 928
The dyno tech I use is not with a Harley dealership. I won't quote him on what he had to say about the PC, but to put it more mildly than he did, the PC leaves a lot to be desired. He is 100% pro SERT.
He does however gets paid money to dyno with a SERT.
bensfatboy is offline  
post #8 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 10:05 PM
2015 Heritage
 
MDGeorge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Pensacola, Fl
Posts: 468
I put the PCV on a previous bike and could never get it right. Had it dyno-ed three times.
My 08 STC has the SE racing tuner with stage one and it has been perfect.

Taming the Beast
MDGeorge is online now  
post #9 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 10:41 PM
Senior Member
 
chasarms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Bettendorf, IA
Posts: 5,617
Images: 2
Garage
The tune is more important than the tuner. They all ultimately reach the same result. It's just different approaches.

If you are comfortable and confident with the folks you plan to use, use the equipment that they understand the best and have the best experience with.

I have a PC and am very happy with the way the bike runs, but I am quite confident that a lot of other tuners could get the bike there as well.

2011 Ultra Classic Electra Glide FLHTCU
Jackpot 4" Dyno Tuned Mufflers | Jackpot 2/1/2 SPC Head Pipe | Cobra Fi2000 PowrPro
chasarms is online now  
post #10 of 86 (permalink) Old 02-23-2012, 11:16 PM
Senior Member
 
TinyPeckerwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Palm Springs,CA
Posts: 557
Garage
Can somebody tell what the race tuner can do that the PC-V can't. I have a PC-V with an auto tuner and it has lots of capabilities. You can set timing and a/f ratio, and do that in every gear and every 250 rpm for front and rear cyl. The PC-V can also signal an rpm activated accessory(shift light or an electric shifter) How much more is there to mess with? Not knocking one over the other, just trying to understand both.

2010 FLHX Denim Black
Fuel Moto 107"
Fuel Moto Level B heads
Woods 777 cams
Vance & Hines Black Radius Shots
Power Commander V w/ auto tuner
Oil bud cooler
2005 Deluxe blue & white(hers)
Operating Engineers Local 12
TinyPeckerwood is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Harley Davidson Forums: Harley Davidson Motorcycle Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome