OK - Who Here Rides With Crash Bars But No Lid ?

[Glyde]

Originally Posted by Nathang

The nitty gritty question,

since everybody crashes eventually,

but everybody believes it won't be today...

Would you wear a helmet,

if you knew for a fact certain that your were going to crash today?




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Seriously, don't have a choice north of the border. Even enforce the DOT laws in most places.

Honestly, enjoyed going lid less on some interstate highways thie past summer, never in the city.

My Grandfather said(many years ago), "Even if you knew when and where it was going to happen, something would draw you there."

[Glyde]

Originally Posted by elPrez

I have a lid on my bars but close my lids when I leave the bar.

had ta read that a time or two.

[badinfluence63]

no lid,no bars, no pants, no shoes, no shirt here,lol.

Helmets should always be an individuals choice period. Not a state mandate. Or a peer pressure thing to do. In reality, at some point a helmet is a mute point. Its not the end all do all and the 100% quarantee of your safety. In fact it gives the wearer a false sense of safety and well being. I've always been a supporter of choice even though I've always wore a helmet. I know grown folks who have ridden safely for 40 years no helmet.

Your post implies to me that you are not smart if you have crash bars but wear no helmet. I disagree.

[TheBoss34]

Originally Posted by Glyde

Seriously, don't have a choice north of the border. Even enforce the DOT laws in most places.

Honestly, enjoyed going lid less on some interstate highways thie past summer, never in the city.

My Grandfather said(many years ago), "Even if you knew when and where it was going to happen, something would draw you there."

That is the direction our government wants to take us........You crashw without...they shoot youl Simple savings!

[steve72]

I always wear a helmet.
I wrecked my first bike when i was young and had no helmet on. This was pre helmet laws. Cracked my tailbone and damaged nerves in my lower back. Figured this was my 1 pass.

[Pete Logan]

Originally Posted by badinfluence63

In fact it gives the wearer a false sense of safety and well being.
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Your post implies to me that you are not smart if you have crash bars but wear no helmet. I disagree.

I didn't mean to imply anything either way. Disregarding dropping the bike at a standstill, I have only been off once while moving. The rear tire blew out in the middle of a bend, the bike straightened up (as they do) and proceeded directly to the scene of the accident I banged my knee on a roadside marker - bruised but not broken - ran down into a ditch and went over the bars. Woke up some minutes later and can't tell you whether the helmet did anything or not.

I was just struck by the number of guys in another thread who argue for crash bars but don't wear a lid, and wanted to give everyone a chance to discuss the relative merits.

I agree with you to some extent about the sense of security, although I think I would tend to argue it the other way around. That not wearing a lid makes us more cautious and therefore perhaps safer. I have argued this in the past and been pasted

I would love to see statistics on whether helmet wearers die more or less than non-helmet wearers per hundred thousand miles ridden, but I don't think they are available, probably because government doesn't want us to know the answer.

I strongly suspect that non-helmet wearers actually die less.

I have to wear a helmet by law. I don't know what I would do if I had the choice. I do ride without a helmet on sand roads in Finland. I suspect I would ride the Harley here without a lid if I had the choice, but I would not ride the Suzuki lidless.

The Harley is a more stable bike and I feel safer on it than on any other bike.

[badinfluence63]

Oh good, glad I misunderstood you, my bad.

Crash bars do great protecting ones bike, especially those big bagger buggers. I have guards on both front and rear. Ultra's come that way.

There have also been medical studies suggesting more damge is done from the transfer of the intial shock impact from a full face helmet to the wears neck/spinal cord. So who knows whose right.

Like you I have been over the high side a couple times and believe it or not on the worst one I was wearing one of those beanie roller derby non DOT helmets and it did its job despite the nay sayers of such helmets.

I chose to wear a helmet but if I didn't want to it would bother me that its not my choice.

[Pete Logan]

Originally Posted by badinfluence63

I chose to wear a helmet but if I didn't want to it would bother me that its not my choice.

Yeah - I also think government is outside its rightful place making laws to 'protect' people from the consequences of their own choices.

After all, there's no law saying a mountain climber has to use helmets, or even ropes. And nothing to say a hill walker has to wear clothing adequate to protect them against snow. Or that an Arctic explorer must carry sufficient food for the journey. Or that a round the world sailor must know how to swim.

Politics. The art of being seen to do something, even if it is completely useless.

[badinfluence63]

Originally Posted by Pete Logan

Politics. The art of being seen to do something, even if it is completely useless.

And if anything good happens its not because plitics had anything to do with it (my 101 year old grandfather use to say that all the time).

[JBONE]

crash bars, they look decent......no lid here