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Old 11-10-2012, 07:10 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yep, that's what I said--put an additional fee on and I walk. But...., even though the additional fee was shown I let it slide because the $1,000 gift card effectively negated the additional fee. And I wouldn't have gotten the gift card if the fees were not shown so it was a wash.

And the gift card can only be used for purchases at the dealer but it is just like real money to me cause they are doing the stage 1 upgrade and putting on saddlebag guards before I take delivery and my $1,000 can be used on that bill.

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Well that was another factor in my deal, I didn't give a shit about the 2,500.00 gift card as in ultimately it was going to show up in the purchase price of the bike on which I would pay taxes.

Now that I remember that little bump up in the road I did get 5K off the "sticker price" a little more in fact.

From what I've read here it does seem dealers from different regions have multiple ways to drive that "sticker" up however Look at the bike's MSRP.

You can get it for that if not at one dealer maybe the next. I visited 6 and was talking with one out of state (Iowa), out of the six I visited only one didn't come down to MSRP when I got serious about dealing and they eventually sold me a bike 1K under. The dealer in Iowa told me up front he'd sell me any bike 1K under. Never met the man but my brother had been drag racing with him for 20 years and they are good buddies. I assume I was riding on his coat tails there.

That could be the rock bottom everyone keeps talking about from MOCO, if you can get it. If you can't get a bike from a dealer for at least MSRP my advise would be to, either keep looking, or make up your mind what you really are willing to pay.

Why not go out of state if you need?, going to Iowa would have only been a 505 mile round trip for me, 253 miles riding the bike back would have been a good way to get aquainted.

I guess some States would nail you on the taxes when you go to register which could be a factor but, it's just something more to investigate first.

The internet has hamstrung more than automotive dealers, when you've got all these resources telling you what something should sell for, why bite the bullet and pay more?
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:30 PM   #52 (permalink)
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The only number that matters is the number I write on the check, how the dealer wants to break down the numbers for their paper work is up to them. OTD price is all that I care about.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:19 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Got $2000 off a Limited 2012 when the 2013 models were coming in.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:40 PM   #54 (permalink)
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H-D dealerships DO NOT normally negotiate. Their product sells itself. Probably worse than Christmas tree merchants. No quarter asked... none given. Harley, as a company, has forgotten who got them through the bad years, They now cater to the yuppie elitist clients.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:08 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Everybody negotiates. It depends on how you sit on the table. I was lucky in the sense that I walked into the NYC Harley dealership AFTER they got their act together. The store owner had fired the previous crew and hired a new set of people and gave them nice salaries so they had no incentive to over-sell me anything. This provided a nice, comforting attitude and I got a very nice discount on the overall purchase. I don't think he had a lot of room to play with the bike's price tag, but I got a huge discount on labor, parts and accessories and a bit on the bike. I walked away extremely happy with the final quote - to the point that a friend who bought about the same bike three days prior went back in there and complained about how he didn't get any discounts. So if you ask him "the a$&# dealership did nothing"; if you ask me "I love the dealership"
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:14 PM   #56 (permalink)
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I bought a dime-bag for $8 once in the eighties.....
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:16 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Really depends on the dealer I'd say. I was kicking tires at Biggs in San Marcos, CA. They had nothing on their showroom floor that I liked. This was on a Saturday, turns out, the day before (friday) a guy traded in a 2008 Rocker. They were still in the midst of servicing the bike and checking everything over. They sold me the bike before they put an advertised price on it. bike only had 5k miles. They sold me the bike for $12K after some negotiation when they started at $13.5k. I also needed a jacket, helmet and gloves. Instead of giving me those things, they took $300 off of my 2 year extended warrenty. I believe that if you didnt negotiate then you got ripped off..... There is ALWAYS wiggle room....
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:42 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Really depends on the dealer I'd say. I was kicking tires at Biggs in San Marcos, CA. They had nothing on their showroom floor that I liked. This was on a Saturday, turns out, the day before (friday) a guy traded in a 2008 Rocker. They were still in the midst of servicing the bike and checking everything over. They sold me the bike before they put an advertised price on it. bike only had 5k miles. They sold me the bike for $12K after some negotiation when they started at $13.5k. I also needed a jacket, helmet and gloves. Instead of giving me those things, they took $300 off of my 2 year extended warrenty. I believe that if you didnt negotiate then you got ripped off..... There is ALWAYS wiggle room....
there is always wiggle room on USED bikes. MSRP is really a starting point for harleys, opposite than what it is for cars and trucks. some dearlers sell for above MSRP, some right at MSRP but very very rarely will you find a dealer to sell a brand new bike under MSRP unless it is a model year end sale or such. Try to go and get a dealer to mark $2k off the MSRP of a 2013 and see what they say. They will offer dealer services but won't budge on the MSRP much at all if any. That is from MOCO not the dealer, like it or not harleys sell themselves they are a luxury item, look at Ferrari, you won't find dealers marking down prices for them either because they are a luxury item and there is no need to mark them down. MOCO is the same way, why mark down prices when you have the best product on the market that the majority of people in that market want your product?
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:21 PM   #59 (permalink)
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there is always wiggle room on USED bikes. MSRP is really a starting point for harleys, opposite than what it is for cars and trucks. some dearlers sell for above MSRP, some right at MSRP but very very rarely will you find a dealer to sell a brand new bike under MSRP unless it is a model year end sale or such. Try to go and get a dealer to mark $2k off the MSRP of a 2013 and see what they say. They will offer dealer services but won't budge on the MSRP much at all if any. That is from MOCO not the dealer, like it or not harleys sell themselves they are a luxury item, look at Ferrari, you won't find dealers marking down prices for them either because they are a luxury item and there is no need to mark them down. MOCO is the same way, why mark down prices when you have the best product on the market that the majority of people in that market want your product?
Just simply not true, I got that much (actually a little more) off of my 2011 in Nov of 2010. You just need to know what your doing and it all depends on how much they wanna make a sale.
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there is always wiggle room on USED bikes. MSRP is really a starting point for harleys, opposite than what it is for cars and trucks. some dearlers sell for above MSRP, some right at MSRP but very very rarely will you find a dealer to sell a brand new bike under MSRP unless it is a model year end sale or such. Try to go and get a dealer to mark $2k off the MSRP of a 2013 and see what they say. They will offer dealer services but won't budge on the MSRP much at all if any. That is from MOCO not the dealer, like it or not harleys sell themselves they are a luxury item, look at Ferrari, you won't find dealers marking down prices for them either because they are a luxury item and there is no need to mark them down. MOCO is the same way, why mark down prices when you have the best product on the market that the majority of people in that market want your product?
I bought a new 2011 V-Rod in May of 2011 and paid less then MSRP, bought a 2013 Limited in October 2012 and paid less then MSRP.

The only thing that matter is the amount I write the check for. Both times on the dealer paper that had the bike price for MSRP, Made up the difference on my trade and less fees.

I don't care how they put it on paper, just as long as the amount I write check for is what I wanted.

See post 39 in this thread if you need to see how the dealer broke down the price of the limited.
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