What we ride dictated by other nations? - Harley Davidson Forums: Harley Davidson Motorcycle Forum
Harley-DavidsonForums.com is an independent enthusiast website owned and operated by VerticalScope Inc. Harley-DavidsonForums.com is not sponsored by or in any way affiliated with Harley-Davidson Inc.. The Harley Davidson names and logos are trademarks owned by Harley-Davidson Inc.

Go Back   Harley Davidson Forums: Harley Davidson Motorcycle Forum > General Forum > General Motorcycle Related

» Insurance
» Our Partners
»ATV Reviews
»Motorcycle Games
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-04-2012, 10:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,627
What we ride dictated by other nations?

December Motorcyclist has a piece where a few execs talk about the future of the industry, specifically as it relates to electric and other non-traditional bikes. The current Director of Motorcycle Product Planning for Polaris-Indian-Victory says that with India, Brazil, and China already accounting for over 25 million bikes sold each year, that as their economies mature they will basically decide the future of the industry and what is brought to market. He states that they will trend toward larger displacement machines but that due to the sheer size of their combined markets they will "dictate industry trends".

So, for longer than Dave has been wrenching or Mongo has been....well, lets not get into what Mongo has been doing all these years ;-) , most of the Asian nations have aspired to build for the US market and take their cues from this market where motorcycles are concerned. Are we soon reaching the point where the opposite becomes true and manufacturers (even US based ones) research, engineer, develop, and bring to market products based on what sells in India, China, and Brazil? Will the choices we have depend on what yuppies in Hyderabad and Beijing want to ride?

Food for thought.

"if everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking." General George S. Patton
Natty is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 05:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member
huskerbob's Avatar
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Posts: 273
for the older farts among us (and i am one of them) i don't think it matters what anybody is doing overseas. HD as too strong a hold on the dreams/visions of our generation to be in any real danger. However, there are fewer and fewer of "our generation" every day.

if the MOCO wants something to worry about, they can worry about the youngsters (16-35) who are coming up behind us. IMO they have their own ideas of what is "cool" and it doesn't seem to me that HD has been able to produce a bike that fits that image.

For the sake of HD i hope they are able to address it in a way that keeps them a viable, prosperous company while remaining true to the Harley-Davidson traditions that we all love.

If not, they will become just another American company thrown onto the scrap heap.
huskerbob is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 11:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
Monzie's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Topeka, KS
Posts: 813
Those numbers would work out if those three large emerging markets were actually in-sync with one another, and that what the people in Brazil want to ride is the same as what they want in India, and that the people in China have the same design desires as those in India and Brazil. I doubt that any one of those markets would be large enough to make that big of a difference for what the US manufacturers will do.
“You must never draw until you know how many are against you, or you've satisfied yourself that you can never know, or you've decided it's your day to die.”
Monzie is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 11:51 AM   #4 (permalink)
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Between Fort Worth and Wichita Falls Texas
Posts: 482
Images: 3
I don't know folks. Chevy is already leaning toward foreign inspiration. It's only a matter of time before others follow. I'd like to see at least Ford and HD remain American as much as possible but it doesn't look too promising to me.
hogcowboy is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 12:00 PM   #5 (permalink)
ltrhdevo's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 1,512
Images: 42
Gee ! come home from a ride on a Harley, and plug it in {not tender but charger}
knuckle buster


ltrhdevo is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 01:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member
redman24's Avatar
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Richmond, TX
Posts: 2,279
Images: 15
As for the American market, every young one I know wants a Harley. Even got daughters that want one.
As for emerging markets for a company, they need to study and do some test markets to see what works best. We may get some smaller displacement Harleys that can fit down narrow streets, split lanes and take rough roads easily. It depends on what niche the execs want to go for.
Jump into the middle of things, get your hands dirty,
fall flat on your face, and then reach for the stars.
- Ben Stein
redman24 is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 02:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
Osco's Avatar
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Florida USA
Posts: 4,427
Images: 7
I see more and more small displacement bikes all the time,
I see BMW and a few others developing very nice sub 800cc bikes and scooters,
I see scooters that are very capable of super slab use,

I so often hear of those that rode the sportster and found it too heavy,

I also believe that a motorcycle company MUST develope and produce capable
bikes that weigh less than 500Lbs and cost LESS than $8,000 and,,,,,,

DONT NEED $500 worth of rocker box work to stop seal leaks at 7,500 miles,
and DONT NEED $1,000 worth of suspension mods to handle like a modern motorcycle should !

I have to manualy adjust my clutch,,easy for me but come on Harley,,W.T.F.

I really like my Sportster, Its the perfect bike for me, AFTER I did all these mods....

New riders, 16-35 for the most part are not going to go this far,
and many like me do not want or need a touring bike,,at 900Lbs...

Ok I'm done,,,

Harley,,you listening ?
We are Legion
Osco is offline   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 11-05-2012, 05:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
Senior Member
wndchsr's Avatar
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 919
Osco.................I rolled over 60K yesterday on my '07 and have not had the first oil leak nor have I done anything repair wise but rebuild the front master cylinder.

I will continue to ride my air cooled, gasoline powered Harley until it becomes illegal to do so.

The Asian markets can kiss my a$$ nor do I see Harley alienating its market base which are the 40-60 year old males that are buying them everyday and have been doing so.

Harley may try to attract the younger crowd but they know where their bread is buttered and its those same 40-60 year old guys who have kept them in business this long.

You may say the guys buying Harley's are getting older and dieing off but I dont see a shortage of 40-60 year olds anytime soon.

Patriot Guard ID #181788
US Navy Veteran
wndchsr is online now   Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Harley Davidson Forums: Harley Davidson Motorcycle Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Motorcycle (s)
What type of bike (s) do you have
Where you live
Date of Birth
Your date of birth and age are displayed in several places on the forum. Only the administrator will have access to your date of birth should you choose to hide it via the privacy option below.
Month Day Year


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:22 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.
This site is in no way affiliated with Harley-Davidson
Motorcycle News, Videos and Reviews
Honda Grom Forum Harley Davidson Forum Honda 600RR Forum Kawasaki Forum Yamaha R6 Forum Yamaha FZ-09 Forum
1199 Panigale Forum Honda Africa Twin Forum Roadglide Forum Honda CBR1000 Forum Vulcan Forum Yamaha R1 Forum Yamaha R3 Forum
Ducati Monster Forum Harley Forums Honda CBR250R Forum ZX10R Forum Star Raider Forum Yamaha Viking Forum
Suzuki GSXR Forum V-Rod Forums Honda Shadow Forum Kawasaki Motorcycle Forum Star Warrior Forum KTM Duke 390 Forum
SV650 Forum BMW S1000RR Forum Honda Fury Forum Kawasaki Versys Forum Drag Racing Forum Ducati 899 Panigale Forum
Suzuki V-Strom BMW K1600 Triumph Forum Victory Forums Sportbikes BMW NineT Forum
Volusia Forum BMW F800 Forum Triumph 675 Forum MV Agusta Forum HD Street Forum Suzuki GW250 Forum
Yamaha Motorcycles Victory Gunner Forum Victory Charger Forum Honda Vultus Forum HD LiveWire Forum Ninja H2 Forum
BMW Scrambler Forum Ducati Scrambler Forum Kawasaki Ninja 250SL Forum