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Old 12-16-2012, 06:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Mall shooting, this just in...CCW user may have saved lives?? News story...

Citizen With Concealed Carry Permit May Have Saved Lives During Oregon Mall Shooting | The Lonely Conservative


You won't see any of the major networks picking this story up, but it should be.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Excellent article. One of the only things that makes sense.

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“He was working on his rifle,” said Meli. ”He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side.”

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

“As I was going down to pull, I saw someone in the back of the Charlotte move, and I knew if I fired

and missed, I could hit them,” he said.

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

“I’m not beating myself up cause I didn’t shoot him,” said Meli. “I know after he saw me,

I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself.”
In every case I can think of, as soon as the shooter knew

another gun had arrived onsite, the mass murder was over.



Multiple Victim Public Shootings

Abstract

.... Using data that extends until 1999 and includes

the recent public school shootings, our results are surprising and dramatic. While arrest or

conviction rates and the death penalty reduce “normal” murder rates and these attacks lead

to new calls from more gun control, our results find that the only policy factor to have a

consistently significant influence on multiple victim public shootings is the passage of

concealed handgun laws. We explain why public shootings are more sensitive than other

violent crimes to concealed handguns, why the laws reduce the number of shootings and

have an even greater effect on their severity.



http://www.thevrwc.org/JohnLott.pdf

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Old 12-16-2012, 07:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You'd never convince any of those folks at that school to have a gun. Their big time libs. The news showed some pics the principle sent out of their "Holiday program? Hell, they cain't even say Christmas, much less use a firearm.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I know I posted this picture in a different thread, but it bears repeating in my opinion...
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Here's a couple of ideas to kick around, apply in another way.

Maybe it's only bigger cities, but do most of you guys see these police watchtowers around your town?



To tell the truth, I have never seen ANY sign that ANY was manned,

or that the parking lot is being watched by someone in person,

but I also heard of volunteer watchers. With remote cameras now days

maybe they don't need to be manned. Point is the police move them around,

I'm sure if they own 50 of them none are ever stored away, all 50 are sitting

on station somewhere looking ominous to the gremlin, who never knows if someone is watching.

In this day and age, I wouldn't be too opposed to a remote countermeasure or weapon system,

if not a real remote control gun, although I think that is probably very doable,

at least sirens, cameras, speakers, spotlights and maybe lasers for distracting or blinding an assailant,

maybe an industrial-strength paint-ball gun for marking an assailant

or direct impact teargas pellets similar to a paintball gun, etc.



In the same vein of thought, these units here could be deployed in schools malls

sporting events churches and other soft targets. It goes hand in hand with

anti-terrorism efforts. There public would know that in every place where this monitor is seen,

there is a control room onsite to accomodate an armed guard ready to respond.

There again, remote monitoring could be rotated with a live watcher, so there was

a deterrence effect greater than the real manpower needed.


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Too much power in "big government" hands.... It all falls to a "armed society is a polite society".... What are the odds something like this would ever happen in say, Texas????
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Old 12-16-2012, 10:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Too much power in "big government" hands.... It all falls to a "armed society is a polite society"....

What are the odds something like this would ever happen in say, Texas????
If this kind of monitoring concept was adopted in schools and churches and malls,

it would be local people, maybe ever a trained volunteer, like the crossing guard but more serious.

As far as happening in Texas, I can't say I've been in a small-town elementary school lately,

but first reports said this school stayed in lockdown, only someone they recognized

was buzzed in, and this kid somehow forced his way in.

I would bet not every Texas school is that secure


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I meant the "mass shootings" in general, not happening in Texas. Everyone and their gardener CCW or open carry there.

Cowards who want to inflict this kind offense, won't go where they know immediate resistance will find them.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:58 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I meant the "mass shootings" in general, not happening in Texas.

Everyone and their gardener CCW or open carry there. Cowards who want to inflict this kind offense,

won't go where they know immediate resistance will find them.
Well except that there is no open carry (for handguns) in Texas, must be concealed.


Agreed, in Texas the sense that there are lots of defenseless targets is dimished a lot.

Even a shooter who thinks he's well prepared has had trouble with the locals,

2005 Tyler courthouse shooting, a heavily armed shooter wearing a vest had forced police to retreat,

the shooter had killed his wife and shot his son on the courthouse steps, about to finish off his son,

nearby resident Mark Chapman rushed to the scene with his 1911 and hit the shooter twice,

the first 2 times he was hit, good solid hits, witnesses said the impacts made dust puff from the vest,

knocked the shooter off focus, and from that time onward the shooter was leaving the scene.

Chapman was killed, but had stopped the rampage.


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