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Old 11-04-2009, 12:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Have an 05' WideGlide and am planning on an engine rebuild this winter. Bore Cylinders to 95ci. install S&S 510G cam. already have free flow A/C and Screaming Eagle II slip on's. "had V&H Big Radius exhaust with Fuel Pack" but did not like performance. My question is this. On an EFI system what would be better, the S.E.R.T. or a Power Commander III. I'm leaning toward the SERT. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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TTS Mastertune 200% better that anything else. Ask a dyno tuner..
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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race tuner all the way, many of the problems with fuel packs/ pc/ or any add on fuel mgmt isnt so much the tuning aspect of it, minus the fuel pack since there are no adjustments that can be made to that, it they are add on units. You npw have to find space to put this extra unit in the bike somewhere, and you now have an additional 64 pin connectors. I have taken many of these units out just do to water getting in them, pins being pushed out or the unit failing. With the race tuner you can also goto any hd dealer accross the country and they can see what the bike is running if any problems arise.
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Old 11-13-2009, 07:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Not a piggyback set-up

TTS - Data Master Tuning System

They were the makers of SERT,
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for the build your doing the P/C would be most user freindly,very easy to remap yourself
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Old 11-16-2009, 09:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The PC3/5 allows interception of the signals going to the coil/injectors, and modifies the signals according to the map. If the tuner decides the bike needs less fuel at a specific RPM/Throttle position, ( called a "cell") he reduces the number in that cell. If he thinks the bike needs more fuel, he increases the number in that cell. PC3/5 are designed to increase or decrease the pulse width (length of time the injectors are passing fuel) by a percentage, and that percentage is the number placed in the cell. If there is a zero in a cell, then the injector is open for whatever time the factory set it at. If the cell # is positive, say 15, then the PC will lengthen the pulse width by 15% ( 15% richer). If the number is negative, -20, then the injectors will be open 20% less than the ECM asks for, leaning the mix at that point. Timing control is limited to a few % change of the base timing, again, # in the cell.

An other option is TTS/SEST, that allows modification of the ECM software, so that engine parameters, such as actual displacement, injector size, etc can be set to match what has been changed. The actual airflow through the motor can be calibrated via software in the ECM, through the VE tables. Once the VE tables are calibrated, the ECM knows how much airflow is going thru the motor, and add fuel as dictated by the AFR desired table. You also have more timing control, (-4° to +50°, in 1/4° increments) which may be needed for hi comp builds.

Either style can be tuned via Dyno, and, to a small extent, via "butt" dyno, using lap top computers and such, depending how much time & effort you want to put into this project. Some "DIY" guys will ride/tweak-repeat 'till they are happy, some guys simply drop their bike off at the shop with instructions and $.
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Old 11-16-2009, 10:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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To the best of my knowledge you cannot legally modify HD ECM software . HD finds out , HD sues .
If you find the backdoor through HDs security programming and reprogram your own ECM ... OK . If you go out and sell your reprogramming and HD finds out you get a lawsuit slapped on yer azz !
Piggyback management systems modify the sensor signals within the parameters of the stock ECM program . Stand alone systems replace the stock ECM allowing more flexible adjustment beyond the stock ECM parameters .
If I'm all wrong about this then I guess I'll be hearing about it !
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