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The Angry One
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After much debate with myself at doing another build thread, and with some encouragement from a few members on here, I have decided to do a audio build thread.

I am by no means a expert with audio, but I have done quite a bit of reading, and I believe my choices are the best for ME. Your results may vary.

I have been told I am a little OCD, and I am starting to see it, as it seems I am getting pickier and a little more fussy about certain things, the older I get. With that in mind, I have spent a little bit more than needed, but like things to fit a and look a certain way. I understand I could have done it cheaper, but it would keep me up at night knowing I didn't do it the way I wanted it.

So please, if you did something else, and it works for you, great. This thread is meant to help the uninformed, or people that don't think they can tackle stuff themselves, or are doing research for their own bikes.

With that said, let's look at the parts I am going to be using. First up, let's look at the head unit, it's mounting adapter, and handlebar interface controller.

I selected the Alpine CDE-HD149BT for a number of reasons, first off it came highly recommended, and there are a lot of guys using it with great success. No reason to reinvent the wheel.

To mount the head unit, I called up VTwin Audio, and had them ship me their choice for mounting this head unit, part # VTURA which is the radio mount, and VTWCR which is the waterproof cover, for a Road Glide.

Hawg Wired is their brand of choice for handlebar interface, so I ordered a Hawg Wired HUA-360 as well.

(A quick side note, these 2 companies actually recommended each other's products, which surprised me, Hawg Wired actually recommended VTwin Audio's radio install kit over their own for this application. )

Parts list so far:

Alpine CDE-HD149BT
VTURA
VTWCR
HUA-360

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The Angry One
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I am going to tackle this in parts and segments first, as I am still waiting on a unrelated part to start the actual install.

For the actual fairing speakers, I am using all Hawg Wired products.

First off the speaker grills, part # RG5252. This is the only part installed so far. (They do make grills with built in tweeters as well, part # RG5254)

Next up is probably the most recommended product for adding larger speakers to a RG fairing, is the actual speaker ring adapter, part # AR65, recommended by just about everyone for clearance issues with other manufacturers adapters.

And the speakers themselves, part # ZX654-100. Yes, their are cheaper alternatives, but these are tuned to work with the Hawg Wired amps I am using, and I have OCD don't forget. :laugh

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The Angry One
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For those who have Fairing lowers, and want to add speakers like on the CVO's, here we go. You will need the following part #'s, I sourced this stuff from kutterharleyonline.com :

57410-11 LH speakerbox
57429-11 RH speakerbox
76000205 x2, CVO speaker grills
10200012 x8 screws

These will also get a set of the ZX654-100's.

(VTwin Audio and a few others have paint to match grills, but I wanted the HD emblem so they match my saddlebag speaker lids) (OCD :laugh)

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Last but not least for speaker placements, are the saddlebag lid speakers. I have the lids for a few years now, and even just Boom Audio speakers in there is a HUGE improvement over nothing. The speakers add a large amount of volume and depth/dimension to the music.

So let's say you don't want the full Boom Audio set up, but you prefer the fitment quality of OEM pieces??

Easy peasy, as Harley Davidson seems to want to charge you for every little piece anyway, and overcharge you for inferior quality anyways....here's what you do:

Order your painted lids to match your bike, and piece meal the rest together. If you go to the Parts and Accessories Catalog that you picked up from your dealer, go to the audio section, and get the appropriate part number to match your color, and order them online and save a bunch of money. In the 2014 catalog, it's on page # 609. Just make sure you double check that you are ordering them for the right year, and right color, as I believe they are NON returnable.

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Then you will need the following parts to finish your lids off:

76000180 LH grill
76000181 RH grill
76000182 x2 speaker baskets
10200012 x 8 grill mount screws
10200095 x 8 speaker mount screws
25700117 x 8 rubber washers

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I don't have a pic of the speaker mount screws bag, as I just found the correct part number and just ordered them yesterday.

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For speakers, I have gone with the only "drop in" exact fit, custom made 5 x 7 speaker made, the Hawg Wired DX574-70's.

(There are a lot of lid options out there, I already own the lids, and prefer the fit and finish of the OEM.)

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ALL the speakers listed are true component speakers, and have watertight tuned crossovers included.

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Looks like a nice set up ,let us know how she sounds
 

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The Angry One
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The last major piece of the puzzle, is the amplifiers. There are quite a few companies, that produce respectable amps that produce great results. I'm not here to argue it.

Again, I chose Hawg Wired, for many reasons. First and foremost....MADE IN THE USA.

They are also a Class D amplifier, will pull less power to run, run cooler and from what I have read, and heard, outperform the others.

I don't want to argue about amps, yes I know there are other choices, cheaper alternatives.

I will be running 3 amps, so each set of speakers has its own amp. :)

These are the Hawg Wired RS400 amps, and have some fantastic features. They are ridiculously small as well.

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For size comparison.....

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(One very unique feature of the Hawg Wired amps, is the ability to tune them via remote, more on that later)

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I will be using other purchased parts, and will add those part numbers as I begin the installation.

For those who wish to stick with the stock HARMON KARDON head unit, these amps and speakers will work with your set up as well.
 

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Thanks for starting this. Thinking about amp and saddlebag speakers on my Ultra. Can't do lowers due to water cooled stuff in there.
 

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The Angry One
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Looks like a nice set up ,let us know how she sounds
I am actually overly excited to hear it myself. Lol. My lower speaker boxes have to go to paint, so that will slow me down some. Dammit. :laugh


Thanks for starting this. Thinking about amp and saddlebag speakers on my Ultra. Can't do lowers due to water cooled stuff in there.
Yea, that kills a great spot for speakers, with the water cooled heads.
 

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Thanks for including my picture in your pic of the amp. Do I get a royalty?
 

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For speakers, I have gone with the only "drop in" exact fit, custom made 5 x 7 speaker made, the Hawg Wired DX574-70's.

Well, I had a feeling this statement was gonna bite me in the ass, and sure enough....CHOMP!!

It's 50deg here, so it's cheaper to warm the garage up, so I fired up the heater and figured I would start mocking stuff up. I started with the saddlebag lids, as I figured this would be the easy place to start. WRONG !!

I noticed right away that the speaker, once in place in the lid, left a gap at each end of the speaker....basically a large gap, that will leak water, bigtime. If you look at this picture, you can see how the lid itself is formed around to contour with the basket retention system.

(Ignore the basket condition, I'll get to that in a bit)

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With the speaker in place, it is very apparent that a leak will occur, more so in the back, than the front.

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I thought about a few options, and decided on making a custom gasket from scratch. Time consuming, but the lesser of the evils. (Finishing with bondo to fill, or using silicone to fill the void. )

I grabbed some Rubber Fiber Sheet from Advanced Auto and got to work.

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I used the gasket supplied by Hawg Wired as a template and traced it out, then used the basket to mark where I needed the extra gasket material.

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Here you can see the extra material needed.

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I used a razor knife to cut it out.

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Measure twice!! Lol

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Finished product. Now make another one. :)

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Once I get ready to permanently install these, I will put a thin layer of clear gasket sealant on the gasket, to make sure the gasket stays down and does the job.

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Once the screen covers are in place, you won't notice it at all.

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Now for the baskets....the magnet on the speaker is MUCH larger than the original speaker, and it looks like Hawg Wired supplied some nuts and bolts to secure the speaker to the lid, and ditching the protective baskets, vs the OEM way, which uses the baskets as a part of the actual mounting system.

I would rather have the baskets in play, as I think it looks cleaner, once installed, so I took one of my old baskets, and set out to see if I could modify it, to work with the larger magnet.

It's not a finished product yet, but, the baskets can be retained, with a small overhaul. Lol.

Stock vs the modified.

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As I said, not the finished product, but it will fit, and the extra gasket material actually raised the speaker up and gave me just a little bit more room, so the gasket was worth the time, to me anyways.
 

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Having the extra speaker basket here paid off, being able to try to make the baskets fit without having to damage brand new stuff was great.

A RotoZip, a 90 deg air grinder with a gasket remover wheel, time, and a metal debur tool aided in getting a decent result.

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Thankfully the inside you won't see, but I did take out all the ridges that were inside, for the most part.

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I routed my wires to be as clean as possible, and this is what I came up with. This is just for mock up. I routed the wires to the front, as there is more room mounting them this way.

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I drilled a 7/16" hole for the wires to pass through the front of the basket.

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Most of my mock up and test fitting is now done, so once the correct screws come in that I have on order, I can wrap up this part of the installation.

Here's a shot of the crossover.

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outstanding Don! This is going to be very nice!
 

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Wow...very nice and innovative
..I have always paid for installs and nobody will take the time/care for your stuff like you would. ..looks awesome so far:thumbup:
 

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The Angry One
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Thanks gents!! :)

My last test fit was actually attaching the wires to the speaker leads, and putting it in place. The 7/16 hole was not enough, as the leads are closer to the basket then I thought. So.....

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Hogging it out was the only option.

But, it fits with no interference now.

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VA Fender Bender
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great job overcoming the fitness issues.
 

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LOL spell check got me again.. fitment was the intended word
 
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