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What a weekend. Rode out with @Delta for 150 miles and had a blowout in the rear tire, valve stem cracked. A $385 tow and $775 tire and pads and we rode the 150 miles back to my house.

The dealer told me the brake fluid needed to be flushed. I said no, I would do it. I did some reading during the 3 hours waiting on the bike. Of course, I find out I can flush it, but I have to take to Harley to re-calibrate the ABS. Only Harley has the DTII diagnostic tool and they want you to flush it every 2 years. If you don't have ABS, they don't seem to have the water problem. Great engineering there boys.

While I was fuming in the waiting area, I told Bill "maybe I should sell it and go back to an EVO bagger". I know them inside and out. I am not a huge fan of the Infotainment system. I don't like ABS. I am not confident in the can bus system. I don't like the O2 sensors or catalytic converter. Maintenance, batteries, tires and assorted parts all cost more.

On the plus side, Fuel injection is good an dependable. The ride and handling are better. The 103 is a great powerplant. More storage room and I like the saddle bag and tour pack latches better.

Mulling it over, but not having a payment is nice. Put that money into mods and the EVO can be a super screamer with great suspension.

I guess it is my way of saying, HD has lost its way. It's not about the ride, it's about the bells and whistles. We used to be the ones to add the bells and whistles, now the factory does it for us and then we can't work on it.
Yes, I remember the EVO needed a clutch, lifters and stator about every 30k to 40k miles.

No snap decisions. I owe $12.5k, KBB trade in is $14.3k, retail $18.7k and NADA is the same. Autotrader has 3 nearly identical bikes within 150 miles from $15.9k to $19k.

Am I crazy (rhetorical)?
 

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Nope, then again, a few people told me I was crazy to build my Evo. "For the money you're spending, why not just get a used 110 TC and get even more power?"

I'm right there with you though. I don't care much about infotainment. I like being able to work on my own stuff.

But, I'm a little biased...

If you go back to an Evo and want it built... well, let me get mine broken in and you can come test ride it (if you want to see what's been done, look at my garage at the red one). It feels awesome how I built it. I haven't even broken 3K rpm yet and I'm already loving it even more than I used to.

Plus, we've got even further improved parts options now compared to what used to be.
 

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I've got a 30 yrs old Evo. What I have to keep remembering is the bike is 30 yrs old. At that age reliability goes out the window.

That's why I have a TC as back up.

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Yeah, I love my shovel, but I don't know if I would venture across country on it. But then again, 90% of typical repairs can be made on the side of the road and you keep going until you can perform a correct repair. Try that with a can bus system.
 

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Roy, I know just enough about this to be dangerous. But...., my indy, Dale Clover Clover Cycle Works : Harley-Davidson Repair Specialists used to run a big shop for years then closed it up, is mostly retired now but works out of his semi rural home for preferred/referred folks only. Dale told me he obtained the necessary software to handle ABS in the past, think he said it cost him $1,800 way back when. So, there are those out there who bought the "stuff" and it's not just Harley dealers who can do the ABS thing.
 

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I'm not really in a position to respond because I don't work on my stuff. I don't have the tools or a nice, protected garage to facilitate a comfortable work area. My carport is brutal in January trying to even check the tire pressure. However, I have over 111k on a 2012 RKC with a stock TC103 engine and have the utmost confidence in it's reliability. I also have the ABS option, requested it actually when I purchased it new. While it's not all rainbows and unicorns, I have learned some of it's quirks in the last seven years, I am quite happy with the modern engineering. I would agree with you, if I were to consider a newer model, there is a whole lot of extra "stuff" that is now offered that I wouldn't want or need.
 

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Fun topic. Thanks, you guys definitely help in the thought process. It's not a decision I will make today or probably not even for 6 months. If I wait until spring, the bike would net a couple extra dollars anyways.

I love riding. I like wrenching. I don't like depending on the dealer. I did just buy a moisture meter for my brakes, it'll be here by the end of the week. Good tool to have regardless. $1800 to have software to calibrate ABS is not gonna happen.

I love having my choices. I don't plan to ever sell the '04 Springer. The '83 FLHT is safe for a while. The '93 Dyna... no real investment emotionally. Could wind up as trade bait for an EVO FLHT. The '16 has become my main daily transportation. It's got just over 38k miles. Dependable.

The nice thing is I have time on my side.
 

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Everything is a trade off. All of those goodies serve a purpose, but cost. You pay up front when you buy, and frequently you pay in higher maintenance costs. Some maintenance items, such as was mentioned regarding brake bleeding, need to be done by the dealer. Its up to each individual to decide for themselves whether its worth it to them.

Can you live without infotainment? Sure, did it for years myself. But there are times that I really like having some of its features. Can you live without ABS? Sure, again I did it for years. But just yesterday I was going out for the day to ride. Heading out and had to get on the 4 lane as they call it here and was coming up to the turn onto the on-ramp where there was a left turn pocket. Was going a touch fast and saw a car coming the other way and decided to stay on the gas a bit longer then brake a bit harder to make my turn in front of him rather than coming to a stop and waiting for him to go by. Wasn't being stupid or foolish, just the decision I made. I don't know why, been on that road a bunch of times but yesterday there was a lot of bumps in the road surface, it was like a washboard. Maybe there had been a lot of truck traffic with the work they had been doing on the 4 lane. When I hit the washboard the brakes were on hard and the ABS activated. First thing I thought was abort, then maybe safer continuing on. Bike stayed in control, brought down the speed and safe and stable made the turn. Now I am not going to say the ABS saved my butt, maybe it did, but it worked perfectly and did exactly what it was supposed to do. In the nine years that I have had a bike with ABS I think its only the 2nd or 3rd time it has come on.

There is a big difference between new tech for entertainment and new tech for safety. Hard to compare the benefits of infotainment vs. ABS. I thought I would rarely use the entertainment stuff, but really enjoy tunes more often than not. Really like the benefits of GPS when I have gotten myself good and lost.
 

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It's not just bikes. Cars and trucks have the same situation...the vehicle does everything, the person is out of the loop, and if anything goes wrong it's big $$$. A couple of weeks ago I went out looking at a truck to replace my 12 year old F-250. It wasn't the money...I just didn't want the crap that they hang on the vehicles now. I recently looked at downsizing my Ultra Classic to something a little easier for an old man to handle. The HD dealer gave me the same problem...too many extras. Dealers seem to have their feelings hurt if you don't want the bells and whistles. So, gtrman66, if you have lost your mind, I'm right there with you. I'll still hang on to my old truck and if I trade bikes, it will be for an older model.
 

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It's not just bikes. Cars and trucks have the same situation...the vehicle does everything, the person is out of the loop, and if anything goes wrong it's big $$$. A couple of weeks ago I went out looking at a truck to replace my 12 year old F-250. It wasn't the money...I just didn't want the crap that they hang on the vehicles now. I recently looked at downsizing my Ultra Classic to something a little easier for an old man to handle. The HD dealer gave me the same problem...too many extras. Dealers seem to have their feelings hurt if you don't want the bells and whistles. So, gtrman66, if you have lost your mind, I'm right there with you. I'll still hang on to my old truck and if I trade bikes, it will be for an older model.
I'm in 100% agreement with you Uncas! I have the abs and "Stupid radio". When i decide to put this bike to pasture, it will be for an older model with less. I personally absolutely HATE that RADIO! I do not listen to music when driving or riding. I think the blue-tooth gizmo for the helmet is the smartest way to go. I will be switching to the blue-tooth as soon as my wife picks out her bike. As for the abs, another PIA! I had mine activate only one time. Then it turns off and allows the bike to skid the moment the speedo hits 30. That was a surprise!

Hmm, wondering just how involved it would be to remove the abs and the stupid radio. Thus converting the bike to a Rushmore Electra Glide basic? :grin
 

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Fun topic. Thanks, you guys definitely help in the thought process. It's not a decision I will make today or probably not even for 6 months. If I wait until spring, the bike would net a couple extra dollars anyways.

I love riding. I like wrenching. I don't like depending on the dealer. I did just buy a moisture meter for my brakes, it'll be here by the end of the week. Good tool to have regardless. $1800 to have software to calibrate ABS is not gonna happen.

I love having my choices. I don't plan to ever sell the '04 Springer. The '83 FLHT is safe for a while. The '93 Dyna... no real investment emotionally. Could wind up as trade bait for an EVO FLHT. The '16 has become my main daily transportation. It's got just over 38k miles. Dependable.

The nice thing is I have time on my side.
Why not just use the brakes hard enough to activate ABS? Don't you just have to cycle the brake fluid through the ABS module? :confused
 

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Why not just use the brakes hard enough to activate ABS? Don't you just have to cycle the brake fluid through the ABS module? :confused
I don't fully understand all this so I sure can't explain it all, but my indy has told me something about it takes the special software to cycle/pulse the ABS fast enough to get all the old fluid out.
 

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I had my brake fluid flushed (2016 Ultra Limited) a year ago. It requires Harley-Davidson dealership software to "actuate" the ABS pump so that the fluid is flushed from that part of the system too. It ran about $200 but in the long run, I guess it was money well spent because a failed ABS unit would be much more expensive to replace. Just my thoughts . . .
 

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All these fancy gizmos you guys bring up make me think my 2013 goes back to the old days! :laugh
 

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Why not just use the brakes hard enough to activate ABS? Don't you just have to cycle the brake fluid through the ABS module? :confused
So it is possible.

https://www.fixmyhog.com/video/flushing-rear-brake-fluid-levels-015448/

Apparently the ABS module itself is to blame for the moisture issues:

https://www.fixmyhog.com/post/shop-abs-modulator-failure/


I guess what I am saying in all of this is I feel disconnected from the bike. I have no emotional attachment to the '16. My '95 was "my" bike for 17 years. I did the top end. I rebuilt the transmission. I changed oil countless times in 137,000 miles. Maybe it is just nostalgia. Maybe it is caused by moving into a log cabin in the woods and enjoying the basics. Maybe it is because I get bored and just want something different.

I did try and think of ways to convince the wife to let me get the '97... but it's just bad timing right now with the daughter's tuition.

I slept on it and still haven't decided yet.
 

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My indy, Dale Clover, flushed my brake fluid last year but I couldn't remember the details. Pulled out his invoice from last July--ABS brake fluid & clutch flush $112.50 and $10.95 for fluid.
 

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My '95 was "my" bike for 17 years.
Well, there's no competing against that.

I wish I never let my FXR go to my so called brother (who hasn't spoken a word to me in over 10 years now).

Had that one for 15 years, and my NightTrain for 15 years this coming Feb.
 
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