:nah

 

$30k
Not gonna make it at that price.


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there will be some buyers. i wont be one of them. in theory, its a good thing. in all practicality, im pretty skeptical.

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Waaaaaaay overpriced. Had it been around $12k, maybe, $30k is insane.

 

Gotta recoup R&D plus new tooling somehow. :dunno

 

i could not have justified even $10k. i didnt give anywhere near that for my softail, and it would be used basically for the same purpose. scoot around town for an hour or two, then back in the garage.

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I agree with you, Dave. It will take a determined "early adopter" to make this purchase and will likely start with some of the flashy entertainers as a prestige buy.

H-D recommends a 220v charging unit (like those used for electric cars) to enable a quick (35 minute) charge. Charging using a 110v outlet is available, but will take ~8.5 hours. The estimated range is 110 miles, which isn't too bad for a commuter.

While Zero Motorcycles is the other US manufacturer of electric motorcycles, I think the Livewire is intended to compete with the Energica Ego (made in Italy) in terms of performance and price point.

 

its about the same to me as electric cars. until they make them where theyll run farther on a charge, make them quickly charge on a wall outlet, and make them where everyone who rides can afford to buy one, theyre not gonna be a sucess.

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yep. matt laidlaw has already vowed to buy the first one if hes able to get the first one. nothing against matt. but, i dont have more money than God. so, im not a prospective buyer!

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Yeah, 110 mile range. Charge time using regular 120V is 8 hours. Its a lot shorter if you can use the special charging station that I bet will only be available at a Harley dealer for quite a while and you will likely have to wait in line to use it. If they sell a bunch of these so there is still hope. OK, they are fast but that just means all the much sooner until 'empty'.

So here would be my typical rides on one of those things.

1. Wait until late in the afternoon, ride 200 miles (you don't want to go to 'empty' just as you wouldn't with gas). Have a place planned out that will allow you to hook up, stay the night and head back the next morning. You can't do any running around at your destination, you are out of electrons. You are stuck where ever you are sleeping.

2. Head out what ever time of the day you feel like. Ride 50 miles (maybe one hour) turn around where ever you happen to be and straight home. Round trip 110 miles, about 1 hour. Two hours, 100 miles round trip.

A typical ride for me is from 200 to 300 miles. Can't do that. I have a habit of just riding, usually back roads and such. Go for a while, come to a crossroad and flip a coin. Rinse, repeat. From here in W. Kentucky I did that one day, one of those beautiful perfect riding days, and next thing I know I am in E. Indiana about 100 miles from Cincinnati. Afternoon now so I consulted the GPS to find a quicker way home. Got home about 1/2 hour after the sun went down. Great ride, enjoyed the day and never would have been able to do that on a 'lectron burner. Not for me. Not sure who the expected customer is. Maybe the commuter doing less than 50 miles to work, then back and on the charger for tomorrow. But for $30k. Freakin Prius is a better deal for that.

And, after all that its got going for it, bugger is still uglier than a Victory.

 

Geeze! The ad says the only thing you will hear is your heart pounding or something like that. And the ad says no clutch and no gears to shift. And it says the range is 110 miles after which it might only take 35 minutes to charge on a 220 outlet but will take 8-9 hours on a 110 outlet.

I could never be in the market for one of these even if they were only $50 each. And if you GAVE me one I might ride it to lunch 70-80 miles away. On the way back from lunch when the battery took a shit I would push it to the side of the rode and hitchhike home.

If the day comes (soon cause I'm 71 now) that I can't ride a real fukin' bike I'll start spending the warm time of the year on the lake riding my jet ski.

 

$30K??? Thank you, but I'll continue to use gasoline.


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I ain’t riding anything that doesn’t sound like a Harley!!

 

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read the promo closely. STARTING AT $29,799.

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Take the $29,799 and add:

Dealer prep fees
Document fees
Freight fee
Sales tax
Licensing

Probably optional charging cables and chargemeter available at extra cost

The total might make a new CVO look affordable

 

id bet one of the "add ons" will be some sort of a system that will add some "harley sound" to it.

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if it was $10k, id still give the extra for a cvo.

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Or this.... same basic price...

Well, that was easy...

 

Quite possibly a bigger failure than the street 500 and 750.............

 

You guys are missing Harley’s point. This bike isn’t intended for the traditional Harley owner. Don’t be offended, we’re exiting the market in record numbers.

 

i fully understand that this bike isnt for us traditionals. harley is trying to attract a younger generation of riders. good. i applaud them for that. my only question with that is....how many 20 year olds are gonna be able to afford to buy one of these....even if they wanted one? it just seems to me that they are putting a whole pile of effort and promotion into something that is not affordable to the market they are trying to attract. and is largely not wanted by those who CAN afford them (other than the VERY rich, who will display one in their living room or office for awhile then get rid of it).

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is it alot different in big cities? by that, i mean, are there lots of prius hybrids? or, smart cars? or, any other "alternate fuel" vehicles? in this area (i realize we are rural) there are 2 smart cars. maybe 3 or 4 prius hybrids. my neighbor had a prius hybrid, but she got too old to drive, and her sons sold it. so, now maybe theres 2 or 3. thats it. maybe the livewire will do good in large metro areas. i just dont know what the market is in a large city. i doubt ill ever see one in person on the street.

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Kalifornia will add $200 for Emissions Equiped version. (they will find away on zero emission vehicles believe me)
Local sales tax here is 8%. Prep is $1000. Plus license fees. Will not sell well in this area.

 

sorry. not for sale in California. there is one tiny washer underneath made of a substance believed to cause cancer in a laboratory specimen.:laughing

 

wow! 8% sales tax? ours here in hooterville is almost 10%!

 

550 miles to Bardstown, Ill pass. Besides, I hate the cold so bring on that global warming....

 

oh, you could make it to bardstown on the livewire. just take you 5 or 6 days to get there. 5 or 6 to get back home. now dont be expecting no side trips!

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...in August 2019.

And it's only $29,799!! I'll need to wait until it goes on sale.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html

Plus delivery, setup and tax ! Over $30 grand for a street bike, unreal !

 

I bet the total will be over $33 grand.

 

Here's their main problem...

"the current Zero Motorcycles SR is as quick as the LiveWire, has a combined range of 120 miles, a city range of 179 miles and starts at $16,495. A model is also available with a 150-mile combined and 223-mile city range for $19,390."

https://www.foxnews.com/auto/electric-harley-davidson-livewire-priced-at-29799

 

i wish the moco the best of luck. i really do. i hope the livewire solves all their company's problems, and goes on to be their all-time best selling bike. i also wish that there were no more wars, poverty, hunger, inequality, and that every single day could be sunny and 80 degrees.

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