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You guys are missing Harley’s point. This bike isn’t intended for the traditional Harley owner. Don’t be offended, we’re exiting the market in record numbers.
 
You guys are missing Harley’s point. This bike isn’t intended for the traditional Harley owner. Don’t be offended, we’re exiting the market in record numbers.
i fully understand that this bike isnt for us traditionals. harley is trying to attract a younger generation of riders. good. i applaud them for that. my only question with that is....how many 20 year olds are gonna be able to afford to buy one of these....even if they wanted one? it just seems to me that they are putting a whole pile of effort and promotion into something that is not affordable to the market they are trying to attract. and is largely not wanted by those who CAN afford them (other than the VERY rich, who will display one in their living room or office for awhile then get rid of it).

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is it alot different in big cities? by that, i mean, are there lots of prius hybrids? or, smart cars? or, any other "alternate fuel" vehicles? in this area (i realize we are rural) there are 2 smart cars. maybe 3 or 4 prius hybrids. my neighbor had a prius hybrid, but she got too old to drive, and her sons sold it. so, now maybe theres 2 or 3. thats it. maybe the livewire will do good in large metro areas. i just dont know what the market is in a large city. i doubt ill ever see one in person on the street.

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Kalifornia will add $200 for Emissions Equiped version. (they will find away on zero emission vehicles believe me)
Local sales tax here is 8%. Prep is $1000. Plus license fees. Will not sell well in this area.
 
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Kalifornia will add $200 for Emissions Equiped version. (they will find away on zero emission vehicles believe me)
Local sales tax here is 8%. Prep is $1000. Plus license fees. Will not sell well in this area.
sorry. not for sale in California. there is one tiny washer underneath made of a substance believed to cause cancer in a laboratory specimen.:laughing
 
sorry. not for sale in California. there is one tiny washer underneath made of a substance believed to cause cancer in a laboratory specimen.:laughing

Must have lived in Kalifornia at one time???? :devil:rofl:
You almost owed me keyboard I was drinking a cool one.:eek-surprise
 
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Must have lived in Kalifornia at one time???? :devil:rofl:
You almost owed me keyboard I was drinking a cool one.:eek-surprise

nope. and ive only been across the very corner of california through needles on my way from vegas to lake havasu, Arizona. but ive seen a lot of stuff that has warning labels stating "not for sale in California"

sorry about the keyboard!:laughing
 
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550 miles to Bardstown, Ill pass. Besides, I hate the cold so bring on that global warming....
oh, you could make it to bardstown on the livewire. just take you 5 or 6 days to get there. 5 or 6 to get back home. now dont be expecting no side trips!

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i wish the moco the best of luck. i really do. i hope the livewire solves all their company's problems, and goes on to be their all-time best selling bike. i also wish that there were no more wars, poverty, hunger, inequality, and that every single day could be sunny and 80 degrees.

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I was a serious buyer up to $15K with a 200 mile range. Was ready to walk into my local dealer and plunk down a deposit. I figured this would happen, but I'd hoped that HD still had some sense left in their (collective) head.

Facts:
- $29,800 - The orange and yellow ones will bump up the price, because y'know, HD doesn't give anything but vivid black for no extra charge.

- 110 mixed mile range - This pegs this bike squarely as a city commuter, nothing more.

- Integrated mobile data/hotspot/Bluetooth/security/stolen bike tracking/smartphone app - Free for the first year, subscription-based afterwards. Decide you don't want to pay? Kiss the security and tracking features goodbye.

- Limited number of dealers selling - HD stated that all LiveWire dealers HAVE to have a Level 3 charging station installed. Closest dealer to me is 188 miles away.

- Infrastructure isn't there - Tesla chargers, IIRC, only work with Tesla vehicles. I've seen 2 Level 3 chargers where I work (we employ over 25K people). Forget being able to charge on any road trip for the foreseeable future.

- Anybody who can afford this bike doesn't want it. Those who might want it can't afford it - Aside from some celebrities (and of course motor-vehicle nut Jay Lenno will have to get one for his museum :grin), and a few well heeled wannabes, this thing won't sell.

- You can get more for less - The Zero in its highest configuration gives twice the distance at half the cost! Yes, I think the Zero itself is overpriced to begin with, but at least it's not outrageously overpriced. Heck, if you ONLY cared about a short commute to work (~30 miles round trip), you can pick up the CSC City Slicker for under $3K! IS it ideal? No. Is it cheap and a decent choice for people who live in large cities where owning a car is more trouble than it's worth? Yup.

All along, HD has touted this electric push as a way to bring in new, younger riders. To reach out to different demographics. Coming out with this scoot at this price shows me how utterly tone deaf they are. I was seriously considering this as it would allow me to get riding experience in and not need to worry about my arthritic wrists. Even at $15K it was going to be too expensive for what it was, but I was willing to do it. Now, I'm just going to get something with a DCT in it, or get an HD and throw a Rekluse clutch in it.

I'm almost afraid to see what they'll price the Pan America, Streetfighter, and Future Custom at. This is one of the biggest "swing and miss" I've seen in a long time. I hope it doesn't bite HD in the azz.
 
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Life expectancy for the batteries ? I wonder what the batteries cost when they need to be replaced ? Same thing with the Tesla, gotta be a lotta $dough !
That was my other concern. Battery replacements won't be cheap, and even as time goes on, how much more capacity can they actually squeeze into one of those? I'm ignorant about battery technology.

IMHO, electric vehicles (cars and scoots) won't hit the big time until they can do photo-receptive panels that can charge a vehicle as it rides/drives. Probably about the same time everything goes automated. :crying
 
I think $10K would be a good reasonable price for this bike. It puts it inline with an entry level bike a dad might buy his kid to go off to college or a second fun bike to have for themselves. The idea here is to get the kid hooked into the Harley brand, then let them mature into the bigger bikes while buying the merchandise along the way.
 
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Life expectancy for the batteries ? I wonder what the batteries cost when they need to be replaced ? Same thing with the Tesla, gotta be a lotta $dough !
Battery life expectancy for hybrid and electric vehicles has not been a problem. My wife drove a Lexus hybrid for 144K miles with zero battery problems. Battery technology is evolving quickly, though, so I hope they are building electric vehicles with that in mind.
 
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