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Sporty rich at idle

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#1 ·
I have an 03 sportster 883 with 8k miles. Had a K n N air cleaner on it when I bought it and I recently put a set of 2inch straight pipes on it, other than that it's stock, or so I thought...I'll get to that.

When I got the bike (K n N air cleaner stock exhaust) I was having problems keeping it running at idle. Start fine, warm up fine, once I rode for a while and stopped at a stop sign seemed to load up. I played with the idle a little but never seemed to be able to get it quite right.

The beginning of this riding season I bought a set of 2 inch straight pipes, serviced the bike, to include new plugs and my idle problem seemed to be fixed!! I was sure I would have to jet it to make it run right, but it ran great compared to how it had been running. Still a little sluggish in the bottom end, but man she'll scream on the top end.

Fast forward to this weekend and I got a hair up my but that I could make this thing snappier on the bottom end if I changed jets. Did some reading and found how to tune/rejet the carb. "Start with adjusting the mixture screw" so I went to the garage, expecting to find the "factory seal" on the mixture screw and it was gone...hmmmm.
Also learned that I should start with a fresh set of plugs. Pulled my plugs, with 3k on them, and they were black, I mean coal back...not wet, not oil, just black, which means rich...right?

So, new plugs, turned the mixture screw in till it just touched and backed it out 2 turns, set the idle at 900 rpm and went for a short ride to warm it up. Turned the mixture screw in waiting for the engine to cough or struggle....never did. Bumped the throttle a couple times with the screw the whole way in and I noticed a puff of black smoke (rich). Took it for a ride and if I ease into the throttle she loves it, crack her open from a "rolling stop" falls on her face. Spent the next hr playing around with fine adjustments trying to get it adjusted but no luck.

So I got curious, pulled the plugs, black again (rich) got more curious and pulled the jets. 45 slow jet and 160 main! If I'm not mistaken these came stock with 40 and 160. From the reading I've done these bikes should run well on a 45 slow jet. So all that for this...

Do I back the slow jet down a couple sizes or do I have something else going on. Also, I think I'm a little lean on the top end as my pipes are "bluing" up near the exhaust ports. Is this a good indicator or is it normal. Thank you
 
#4 ·
Snappy low-end and straight pipes don't mix.

It's called drag pipe sag, and you can't tune it out by tuning the carb. You want snappy and responsive low-end, you need a 2-1 pipe with a baffle. Torque cones are snake oil. Best you can do with drag pipes is a bolt/screw in the end of the pipe.

 
#6 ·
That video was the absolutely best one I have ever seen to explain how the exhaust pulses actually affect the bike running. I have a hard time explaining things at times (most of the time lol) Thanx for putting that up!
 
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#5 ·
I don't know about torque cones, but I know that torque inserts near the end of the pipes are fantastic. Huge difference once you get the exhaust velocity sorted out. I have them on 2 of my bikes because of the type of exhaust I run. Check these out:

 
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Probably bad tuning, probably because they're trying to tune for straight pipes on an engine that doesn't have the cam and flow to justify the straight pipes at the diameter they're at. AFR and pilot jet should only be for tuning idle and just off-idle. Tune full throttle by main jet, then tune mid throttle by needle size. Remember, carb tuning is by throttle position, not RPM and the pilot and AFR adjustment is for 0 to about 1/8 throttle, the mid-throttle is dictated by the combination of main jet and needle, and the last 1/4 throttle is dictated entirely by main jet.

Most straight pipes are too large a diameter to work well with a stock engine.
 
#10 ·
I second the enrichment circuit, the needle can leak fuel and cause a rich condition across the rpm band. Remove the cable and needle and inspect the sealing tip, if the black Viton appears to have a circular dent the needle is most likely leaking excess fuel into the carb venturi.
 
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I second the enrichment circuit, the needle can leak fuel and cause a rich condition across the rpm band. Remove the cable and needle and inspect the sealing tip, if the black Viton appears to have a circular dent the needle is most likely leaking excess fuel into the carb venturi.
I checked the whole carb. Everything seems in order, thing is it was always lean with a 45-170 wich is curious. Ill change to performance pipes and see